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The captain refers to Eve as "she" or "her" several times.As for them never being called male or female, Pixar did call them that in talking about the film, but if you meant they're never called that in the film...I think you're right, I can't remember if they ever said "she" or "he" or "get him" or "get her" or something.
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Pixar's Wall-E
Oh, thanks Whippet, in a way you were just an angel!
Well Ben, I keep saying these bad-rap giving animations aren't necessarily intentional, but when Kevin Lima talked about how he didn't approve of everything the past princess films said, or presented the world, to his daughters and little girls everywhere, well, you know what he was trying to do with the go get'm Giselle ending. That's just an example of how he wanted to change the way those past animated classics, and their characters, were seen...not fully respect how they're supposed to be. I mean, especially when the idea is that the early princesses are too good or kind to want to hurt anyone, like stab a dragon. Or if a character doesn't like fighting, a character doesn't like fighting.
As for Macaluso, many people these days actually wish to change or choose their genders, and some do lots of things that are usually thought of as "girly" or "manly" things but they don't want it to matter if they're a girl or a guy. BY the way, gender is different from sex. Sex is who you biologically are, gender is what roles you play and how you act and are seen, etc. In other words, it is arguable, but if they didn't have genders, or they could choose their genders, they would be more free and have more abilities like us modern humans desire, and they would be way more than the robots who are made to be a certain way. Though developing personalities and love makes them more than robots though they are robots, which is what I think the film did.
Well Ben, I keep saying these bad-rap giving animations aren't necessarily intentional, but when Kevin Lima talked about how he didn't approve of everything the past princess films said, or presented the world, to his daughters and little girls everywhere, well, you know what he was trying to do with the go get'm Giselle ending. That's just an example of how he wanted to change the way those past animated classics, and their characters, were seen...not fully respect how they're supposed to be. I mean, especially when the idea is that the early princesses are too good or kind to want to hurt anyone, like stab a dragon. Or if a character doesn't like fighting, a character doesn't like fighting.
As for Macaluso, many people these days actually wish to change or choose their genders, and some do lots of things that are usually thought of as "girly" or "manly" things but they don't want it to matter if they're a girl or a guy. BY the way, gender is different from sex. Sex is who you biologically are, gender is what roles you play and how you act and are seen, etc. In other words, it is arguable, but if they didn't have genders, or they could choose their genders, they would be more free and have more abilities like us modern humans desire, and they would be way more than the robots who are made to be a certain way. Though developing personalities and love makes them more than robots though they are robots, which is what I think the film did.
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Yes, I believe that just as WALL-E did not have a "personality" when he was run off the production line, he didn't have a gender either. As he developed, being left on his own, he became a "he" as a natural evolution.
EVE is a little harder to explain, but I can only imagine that, just as a lot of sleek machinery is referred to as a "she", the design was given "female" attributes so as to not scare the delicate humans as they had evolved and created a nurturing feeling, so they felt safe and almost mothered.
But, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. It's just a movie.
EVE is a little harder to explain, but I can only imagine that, just as a lot of sleek machinery is referred to as a "she", the design was given "female" attributes so as to not scare the delicate humans as they had evolved and created a nurturing feeling, so they felt safe and almost mothered.
But, at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. It's just a movie.
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No, they obviously didn't choose their genders.
As Ben pointed out, Eve was probably made to be female. But more than that, think about her name, it's only for a girl. The same goes for Wall-E. What, you didn't realize it's really Wally, a boy's name? Which is part of why I believe he was intended to be a boy from the start as well, Ben. He was made a boy for the tough, dirty job of cleaning up Earth, while you said Eve was made for the job of caring for humans. Except...she really wasn't a human nurturer, but a life finder. I guess that's kind of related to females since they carry and bring forth life. But I didn't see any Eves taking care of the humans.
As Ben pointed out, Eve was probably made to be female. But more than that, think about her name, it's only for a girl. The same goes for Wall-E. What, you didn't realize it's really Wally, a boy's name? Which is part of why I believe he was intended to be a boy from the start as well, Ben. He was made a boy for the tough, dirty job of cleaning up Earth, while you said Eve was made for the job of caring for humans. Except...she really wasn't a human nurturer, but a life finder. I guess that's kind of related to females since they carry and bring forth life. But I didn't see any Eves taking care of the humans.
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Clever indeed, Meg! I agree with James and will end on these points:
Yes, I did get that WALL-E is "Wally". If it wasn't obvious enough to begin with, it's clear enough from the trailers, and you only have to listen to how EVE says it over and over in the movie. Plus, I happen to think that I'm not exactly a moron! You can come off as being very insolent, young Dusty.
EVE was also an anagram for her type of machinery, not "just" a girl's name.
Life-finding and providing a future for her makers...isn't that caring for the humans?
Saying you believe WALL-E was to be "a boy from the start" kind of breaks down your original argument. Since we're in danger of starting to go around in circles, I don't see the point of continuing.
SO...moving on...
Yes, I did get that WALL-E is "Wally". If it wasn't obvious enough to begin with, it's clear enough from the trailers, and you only have to listen to how EVE says it over and over in the movie. Plus, I happen to think that I'm not exactly a moron! You can come off as being very insolent, young Dusty.
EVE was also an anagram for her type of machinery, not "just" a girl's name.
Life-finding and providing a future for her makers...isn't that caring for the humans?
Saying you believe WALL-E was to be "a boy from the start" kind of breaks down your original argument. Since we're in danger of starting to go around in circles, I don't see the point of continuing.
SO...moving on...
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Anyone else think it was interesting that they managed to license the Hello Dolly songs for the soundtrack as well as the movie? Maybe if other studios followed this example we'd finally see some of the stuff that's been buried by rights disputes. Just a thought...
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Really? I didn't know that. Since they're pretty intrinsic to the film, that's a pretty neat move!
I love it when OSTs are able to be more inclusive like this. There are certainly a lot of soundtracks I own that are "missing" one or two pivotal song moments from their listings that are not "pop single" or commercial promos.
I'd love a Pixar Shorts soundtrack...or an isolated track on their DVDs. I know there isn't too much "music" in them, but having the Luxo theme or Knick Knack's hum would be fun.
I love it when OSTs are able to be more inclusive like this. There are certainly a lot of soundtracks I own that are "missing" one or two pivotal song moments from their listings that are not "pop single" or commercial promos.
I'd love a Pixar Shorts soundtrack...or an isolated track on their DVDs. I know there isn't too much "music" in them, but having the Luxo theme or Knick Knack's hum would be fun.
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James, I thought I read in your review of the film you with thinking of reviewing it again? When you saw it again, or the DVD came out? I know your aim was not to say much because it was too good to say much about...but I got the impression you were thinking you might revisit it? I wouldn't care if you did say nothing but good things, I mean, I would but, at least you would get to say why you love it all so much.
I once read a review that did annoy me, it was about Cloverfield. It was like, "I love how this film is smart enough to not show the monster" and "I love how this film didn't try to make sense of the madness, like we can't make sense of stuff in real life." But if that's what must happen in a review, I'll hear it.
A lot of times people will say they love a film, and I don't, so I'm want to know why.
I didn't mean to sound like "oh, you didn't know that, so dumb!", but more like, "what, you didn't know this thing?" but asking it as a question to imply you could have known, and I was reminding. I want to be read as having a tongue-in-cheek or some more fun tone...
I would say Wall-E is caring for the Earth, cleaning it up to make a future home for the humans...kind of like caring for them. I guess it's the heavy lifting and dirtiness and the look of him that made them decide on a boy.
I once read a review that did annoy me, it was about Cloverfield. It was like, "I love how this film is smart enough to not show the monster" and "I love how this film didn't try to make sense of the madness, like we can't make sense of stuff in real life." But if that's what must happen in a review, I'll hear it.
A lot of times people will say they love a film, and I don't, so I'm want to know why.
But...I was saying they shouldn't be boys or girls, just robots who kind of decide how they are as they go beyond normal robots to develop their own personalities.Ben wrote:Saying you believe WALL-E was to be "a boy from the start" kind of breaks down your original argument.
I didn't mean to sound like "oh, you didn't know that, so dumb!", but more like, "what, you didn't know this thing?" but asking it as a question to imply you could have known, and I was reminding. I want to be read as having a tongue-in-cheek or some more fun tone...
I would say Wall-E is caring for the Earth, cleaning it up to make a future home for the humans...kind of like caring for them. I guess it's the heavy lifting and dirtiness and the look of him that made them decide on a boy.
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Nope, I think we were talking about Ben doing another A-V review when the DVD comes out.Dusterian wrote:James, I thought I read in your review of the film you with thinking of reviewing it again? When you saw it again, or the DVD came out?...