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Post by **ShyViolet** » February 8th, 2007, 1:54 pm

Have they said anything about what they plan to do with the super little bundle of "joy"?

Post by **Ben** » February 8th, 2007, 4:59 pm

Hopefully expose him to Kryptonite and kill him off!

Actually, that could be cool, having Luthor kill him (maybe accidentally) and starting off a decent plot device which <I>really</I> tests Superman's ability to stay rational.

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 8th, 2007, 8:47 pm

You could just have him get sick on his own and die, maybe due to some genetic Kryptonian disease, or maybe a "weak" human immune system that can't handle Kryptonian biology/genetics.

(Another tiresome thing about the Kid is that he just reproduces the lame old "half-human" or "wanting to be human" theme that has been done ad infinutum in sci-fi, Data, Spock, etc...

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Post by **ShyViolet** » February 10th, 2007, 5:23 pm

Even the artists on Superman Returns don't want it to win the Oscar!!!

Just look what this visual effects guy wrote on VFX hell:

For the love of god don't vote for superman. The way they treated everyone was just horrible. The effects were crap (you know it was... too much noodling and no direction). A win or vote will only give them authority to do it to us all over again!

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 10th, 2007, 6:31 pm

Is it possible that the film might have a stronger, or at least more coherent impact if a lot of the scenes that were cut out are edited back in?

On one of the fan sites someone has started a petition to get a "full cut" of SR a la Superman II/Richard Donner fiasco:

http://www.bluetights.net/theplanet/sho ... hp?t=21283

Post by **Josh** » February 11th, 2007, 4:49 pm

There's something I'm curious to know. Lois Lane won a Pulitzer Prize for her critically acclaimed and widely accepted essay "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." Thus, I wonder how, in that fictional world, critics and society in general responded to the article she began at the end of Superman Returns...

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 11th, 2007, 8:29 pm

Thus, I wonder how, in that fictional world, critics and society in general responded to the article she began at the end of Superman Returns...

Post by **Josh** » February 11th, 2007, 8:50 pm

Good point.

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 13th, 2007, 5:20 pm

Thanks Josh.

Also, I can't help wondering:

Post by **Ben** » February 19th, 2007, 1:17 pm

I watched the making of documentary last week on SR (still can't watch the film itself again).

You'll notice that EVERY hald-decent idea in the film came from someone else. Brian Singer has not a directorial bone in his body. Good script ideas? From the writers. On set touches? Often from the cast themselves (see his pathetic attempt to get Jimmy Olsen to take a picture) or crew. Visual effects? "Brian doesn't know what he wants until he sees it so we waste hours and hours coming up with 20 different ideas before he picks one and takes all the credit".

Okay, I made that up myself, but true to the essence of what someone said, instead of him asking for a specific idea and maybe five variants.

God, what a joke. I can't believe they're getting him to do another one. Pooh.

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 19th, 2007, 1:59 pm

Kevin Smith didn't like it either! Apparently he discussed it on several talk shows recently!

Check YouTube for details.

"Brian doesn't know what he wants until he sees it so we waste hours and hours coming up with 20 different ideas before he picks one and takes all the credit".

Okay, I made that up myself, but true to the essence of what someone said, instead of him asking for a specific idea and maybe five variants.

Also, I read on IMDB that if you watch the "Singer diaries" DVD you can tell how little thought he put into casting Bosworth: He's with a bunch of people in a conference room and he still doesn't know who to give it to; KS mentions that he like working with KB on Beyond the Sea, so Singer just says: "All right, give it to Bosworth then."

And about FX, as a I posted earlier, even the VFX guys don't want this film to win!

Post by **Ben** » February 19th, 2007, 3:09 pm

Pirates should and hopefully will win.

Superman was anything but super, and Poseidon tanked long before the CGI ship turned over, but Pirates really did transport us back to an amazing world, coupled with frankly stunning character work.

Like Kong last year, this has to be the hands down obvious choice.

Post by **ShyViolet** » February 19th, 2007, 9:10 pm

God, what a joke. I can't believe they're getting him to do another one. Pooh.

Maybe if they bring Kevin Smith aboard as a new writer, he'll TELL them how bad Bryan's ideas were (the way he did with that other guy who wrote the script back in 1993 or whatever it was.) Then maybe they'll fire Bryan and hire someone like Sam Raimi!

Smith 'n Raimi--Killer Combo.

And don't forget Michael Chabon. (like KS he was one of the Spidey 2 writers)

Also, what if the fans protested, the way they did on AICN when Tim Burton /Jon Peters/McG proposed all those insane changes to the Superman mythos?

The weird thing is though, if you go to IMDB SR forum there's been an ongoing war between the devoted fans of SR who basically consider it to be the greatest movie ever made (seriously, they think it deserves Best Picture!) vs. those who despise it, for the past six months or so. And they BOTH consider themselves to be the only "true" pure Superman fans....weird!.....

Don't even THINK about getting involved in that mess......

Post by **Josh** » February 19th, 2007, 9:39 pm

I would love to see Kevin Smith direct a film or documentary about the making of Superman Lives. Then again, it would be also be interesting to see a television series that chronicles all of the cancelled attempts at Superman V: Superman: The New Movie, Superman Reborn , Superman Lives, Superman: The Man of Steel, Baman vs. Superman and Superman I. Maybe each season of the series could be devoted to one of the canned projects.

Post by **Meg** » February 19th, 2007, 9:42 pm

Also, what if the fans protested, the way they did on AICN when Tim Burton /Jon Peters/McG proposed all those insane changes to the Superman mythos?

I can't help but wonder how Burton's version would have compared to Singers'...I mean, sure, it was totally weird, but...I mean, geeze, at least it would have been dufferent.