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All in all, I liked TFA more...which is apparently popular opinion.
Also, that "riding llamas to destroy Vegas planet" sequence was...yeah.
I'll say more for my year end review, and then may post more thoughts here after that. But it is notable that Mark Hamill was apparently really unhappy with how the movie treated Luke. But the "awesome moment" Ben mentioned (pretty sure I know what he's talking about?) was worth the price of admission alone.
(Also, Luke wasn't tempted "every other scene" in Empire and Jedi. Pretty sure he was only really tempted towards the end of the ROTJ. )
Also, that "riding llamas to destroy Vegas planet" sequence was...yeah.
I'll say more for my year end review, and then may post more thoughts here after that. But it is notable that Mark Hamill was apparently really unhappy with how the movie treated Luke. But the "awesome moment" Ben mentioned (pretty sure I know what he's talking about?) was worth the price of admission alone.
(Also, Luke wasn't tempted "every other scene" in Empire and Jedi. Pretty sure he was only really tempted towards the end of the ROTJ. )
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I don’t agree with every word of this, but in my opinion it is an interesting argument because I really do think Abrams is overrated. Don’t get me wrong, I found TFA to be extremely entertaining, but TLJ has so much more depth to it. And I only saw Abrams’ first Star Trek film, probably due to the fact that most of it was unbearable for me. Not exactly because it changed details of canon, more because I just found the characters to be extremely unlikable, the story muddled, and the entire idealistic outlook of the Federation replaced with dialogue from Top Gun.
Anyway, it’s quite long, (same writer as The Simpsons piece) but very comprehensive and interesting:
http://charliesweatpants.com/jj-abrams-is-bad-at-movies
Anyway, it’s quite long, (same writer as The Simpsons piece) but very comprehensive and interesting:
http://charliesweatpants.com/jj-abrams-is-bad-at-movies
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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Think you misspelled "Dialogue from Star Trek II: the Wrath of Khan".ShyViolet wrote:Not exactly because it changed details of canon, more because I just found the characters to be extremely unlikable, the story muddled, and the entire idealistic outlook of the Federation replaced with dialogue from Top Gun.
(Y'know, for being so presumably a "Star Trek fan", you'd think JJ would shamelessly homage more than one Trek episode or movie...Especially when making two films.)
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I loved the new Trek films (welp, actually not so new anymore, as the first one turns ten next year!), Khan references and all. Since the universes are meant to "mirror" each other anyway it all made perfect sense to me.
But I still stand by my initial opinion that J.J. gave the Star Wars fans what they wanted, while Johnson may have wanted to "stir the pot" just a little too much for many people's tastes. And it's telling that I saw TLJ once in theaters while I saw TFA three times (over the span of about two weeks).
All of that is beside the point, though. Nice to have you around again, Vi!
But I still stand by my initial opinion that J.J. gave the Star Wars fans what they wanted, while Johnson may have wanted to "stir the pot" just a little too much for many people's tastes. And it's telling that I saw TLJ once in theaters while I saw TFA three times (over the span of about two weeks).
All of that is beside the point, though. Nice to have you around again, Vi!
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Yay, Vi!
It was my understanding that JJ didn't actually know Star Trek at all, and really wanted to do Star Wars all along. And you can tell. His Trek films don't adhere to the basic emphasis of Trek TV.
Still, I enjoyed the first JJ Trek a lot, finding it quite entertaining, though one really needs to read the comic book prequel "Countdown" to make sense of it. (And it's a great story, too.) I hated the second one, which didn't try hard enough to be Nu Trek, lamely homaging Star Trek II to death.
JJ's Star Wars film was filled with fan service and regurgitation... and yet I loved it. It was just such a relief after the prequels. But it was important for SW to go in a new direction after that, which TLJ did, to mixed results.
It was my understanding that JJ didn't actually know Star Trek at all, and really wanted to do Star Wars all along. And you can tell. His Trek films don't adhere to the basic emphasis of Trek TV.
Still, I enjoyed the first JJ Trek a lot, finding it quite entertaining, though one really needs to read the comic book prequel "Countdown" to make sense of it. (And it's a great story, too.) I hated the second one, which didn't try hard enough to be Nu Trek, lamely homaging Star Trek II to death.
JJ's Star Wars film was filled with fan service and regurgitation... and yet I loved it. It was just such a relief after the prequels. But it was important for SW to go in a new direction after that, which TLJ did, to mixed results.
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To be fair, while true that JJ's "Trek films don't adhere to the basic emphasis of Trek TV", the new Treks are pretty much in line with most of the other Trek films in that they focus more on action than traditional TV Trek storytelling. So it's not like he started that trend.Randall wrote:...It was my understanding that JJ didn't actually know Star Trek at all, and really wanted to do Star Wars all along. And you can tell. His Trek films don't adhere to the basic emphasis of Trek TV...
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Aw thanks guys.
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James: Agreed.
ShyVi: Stick around. We missed ya.
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When we get the expected joke where young Kirk actually does "make it with a green-skinned (Orion) girl", I suspected we were not perhaps in the presence of a 100% sincere Trek fan.Randall wrote:It was my understanding that JJ didn't actually know Star Trek at all, and really wanted to do Star Wars all along. And you can tell. His Trek films don't adhere to the basic emphasis of Trek TV.
Still, I enjoyed the first JJ Trek a lot, finding it quite entertaining, though one really needs to read the comic book prequel "Countdown" to make sense of it. (And it's a great story, too.) I hated the second one, which didn't try hard enough to be Nu Trek, lamely homaging Star Trek II to death.
Still, we know he was enough of a fan to think the young-Kirk canon revolved around every line from Wrath of Khan. But darn, he forgot to have Cpt. Pike pardon Kirk's test-cheating with a "commendation for original thinking" at the end of the first movie.
As Mad Magazine put it, "Twenty years ago, fans complained about Jar-Jar, now we complain about JJ."JJ's Star Wars film was filled with fan service and regurgitation... and yet I loved it. It was just such a relief after the prequels. But it was important for SW to go in a new direction after that, which TLJ did, to mixed results.
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Quick take on Solo: it's fun! And that should be enough to satisfy most fans, especially after the arguably overly cynical tone of The Last Jedi.
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I do suspect that many of us will like Solo more than Last Jedi.
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We could have had a decent, sensible, coherent, OT-pedigreed Lawrence Kasdan-written Last Jedi if it hadn't been for THIS movie.Randall wrote:I do suspect that many of us will like Solo more than Last Jedi.
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Told ya!Dacey wrote:Quick take on Solo: it's fun!
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Certainly was a fun film. I also enjoyed a few of the easter eggs whenever I could spot them.