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Why else do you think The Advocate had a cover story with Routh and the words: "How Gay is Superman?"
And it's not like Singer can't do cool heterosexual love scenes. Think about Wolverine and Jean in X1 and X2, or Bobby and Rogue. I loved the scenes between them in X2 when they finally kiss and the tension between Wolverine and Jean, ditto Scott's/Logan's grief when Jean dies.
Where did all that go??
BTW I have no problem with anyone being gay; it's just that Superman is a classic character who shouldn't be altered just for one person's sake. If Singer wanted to make a "gay superhero" story with another character or make one up--that's his choice. But why mess with a classic that everyone knows?
Joel Schumacker went to that direction slightly and everyone had him on a pike (Just check out "Legends of the Dark Knigth" in B:TAS and see tha "Joel" character with the pink fur shawl who "loves" Batman and "all those muscles"--still can't believe they got away with that. )
No matter how many times he apologises--and he has--he's not going to live that one down, even with Begins' success. That's what you get when you mess with a classic.
Bryan was just smarter than Schumacker about it, so no one called him on it.
And it's not like Singer can't do cool heterosexual love scenes. Think about Wolverine and Jean in X1 and X2, or Bobby and Rogue. I loved the scenes between them in X2 when they finally kiss and the tension between Wolverine and Jean, ditto Scott's/Logan's grief when Jean dies.
Where did all that go??
BTW I have no problem with anyone being gay; it's just that Superman is a classic character who shouldn't be altered just for one person's sake. If Singer wanted to make a "gay superhero" story with another character or make one up--that's his choice. But why mess with a classic that everyone knows?
Joel Schumacker went to that direction slightly and everyone had him on a pike (Just check out "Legends of the Dark Knigth" in B:TAS and see tha "Joel" character with the pink fur shawl who "loves" Batman and "all those muscles"--still can't believe they got away with that. )
No matter how many times he apologises--and he has--he's not going to live that one down, even with Begins' success. That's what you get when you mess with a classic.
Bryan was just smarter than Schumacker about it, so no one called him on it.
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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This was a really cool video....(which I'm not sure is breaking copyright or not. ) But IMO it helps illustrate how lame Singer's version was compared to all the others....
(Funny how they show all the Lex Luthors except John Shea! )
(Funny how they show all the Lex Luthors except John Shea! )
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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This is the "Year Of Superman" trailer that appeared on all the Warner Video releases earlier this year. Quite nice for a recap on ol' Supes career, but you notice that they don't actually edit in any of Singer's film into the clips. I really do think that WB knew they had a lacklustre film on their hands, hence the eventually "bodged" marketing and failure at the box office.
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Well, I'll certainly be thinking about the things you guys said about the film whenever I watch it again (I hope to get the 2-Disc Deluxe Edition for Christmas).
But I still think I won't be converted.
But I still think I won't be converted.
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today is a gift--that is why it's called the present."
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No worries WJ....everyone's entitled to their opinion. Also, I just have to add that my opinion of the film is slightly more positive than Ben's, maybe 'cause I'm not nearly as hard-core a fan....I still did enjoy parts of the film (both times) mostly Routh's performance , and even though it was a bit bland in sections I LOVED Ottman's score and listen to it quite frequently.Well, I'll certainly be thinking about the things you guys said about the film whenever I watch it again (I hope to get the 2-Disc Deluxe Edition for Christmas).
But I still think I won't be converted. Wink
But the utter lack of magic, optimism, and wonder, coupled with Singer's obvious (IMHO) disdain for the franchise he was lucky enough to be handed so early on in his career....I just can't ignore these things. I still think Singer had some interesting "ideas" in the film but all in all it's a mess....there's nothing to root for or hope for in this film. It's all over before it begins.
Plus, from reading part of the paperback tie-in book (which is actually considerably better than the film itself) there were more scenes with Clark and his mom that would have made the misogyny in this film even more ridiculously noticable. Apparently in Clark's five-year-absence Martha Kent (who, remember, is a widow) realised she wasn't getting any younger and, like Lois, got a boyfriend...much to Clark's dismay. (I suppose, like the dying Gertrude, she needed someone to "show her pleasures she never knew") As the film stands, Martha is such an incidental and peripheral chracter and is treated with such little respect by the script that I don't know which version is worse.
And notice how in Clark's flashback scenes when he's discovering his powers...notice how DEPRESSING those scenes are since he's always alone, with no parents to confide in or, unlike in that great scene in Donner's Supes, rivals to interact with. Clark's childhood/youth in Smallville was apparently as grim as his adulthood in Metropolis...at least as far as I can tell, since we barely see any of either.
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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Looks like Superman Returns Again has a new working title: Superman: The Man of Steel.
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Nah, his break is only for a little while. He might also direct a "lesser" horror film in between Supes 1 and 2 called "Trick R Treat" (whatever that means)So, if Singer takes a break, does that mean it would come out later?
He has three years to come up with a better Supmerman plot....the clock is ticking!
(Sorry. Vocab test tommorow.)
Good luck!
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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Wonder what this could mean?Like any good filmmaker, Bryan has laid the groundwork and has confirmed there are many clues in “Returns” that hint to what direction the sequel will take. He has also said that the next film will be very, “Wrath of Khan.”
Hopefully more action, more drama, more romance!
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!