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Re: Shrek 5 on the way?

Post by EricJ » March 2nd, 2014, 8:10 am

Ben wrote:As much as I've liked the Shreks, I've kind of not "liked" them either. They make me laugh, but it took me ages to finally find the first one entertaining (it seemed just like a lot of shouting to me, and it was only in repeat viewings that I knew what was coming and switch off and on to the good stuff), while the second one was almost genius.
I think possibly it should have ended there: two perfectly fine films that said what they needed to say and got JK's Disney funk out of him (even if Shrek ended up being the very thing it wanted to poke a stick at).
The first film (and none of the others) had Roger S.H. Schulman as co-writer, who had co-created the "ALFTales" Saturday-morning series, that was the hilariously hip-referenced fairytale parody that Shrek 1 wanted to be, without the hostility-issues ex-Disney-employee bile.
(The "Dating game" magic-mirror scene, for one, plays so exactly with the deadpan comic rhythm of a classic ALFTales cartoon from '88, you can almost hear the character voices.)

After that, Katz basically realized that only the future Frozen-girl feminists were the one who responded to all the anti-princess jokes, and pitched Shrek 2 and onwards to the chick audience who didn't mind a little immature gender-card schoolyard "Disney corrupts our free daughters!" meanness once in a while....Doted on it, in fact.
Once the series believed it had a "message", it careened downhill fast.

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Re: Shrek 5 on the way?

Post by Dacey » March 2nd, 2014, 5:27 pm

:roll:

I'd like to use a sleepy smiley, but one wasn't available. ;)
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Re: Shrek 5 on the way?

Post by ShyViolet » March 2nd, 2014, 5:33 pm

EricJ wrote: The first film (and none of the others) had Roger S.H. Schulman as co-writer, who had co-created the "ALFTales" Saturday-morning series, that was the hilariously hip-referenced fairytale parody that Shrek 1 wanted to be, without the hostility-issues ex-Disney-employee bile.
(The "Dating game" magic-mirror scene, for one, plays so exactly with the deadpan comic rhythm of a classic ALFTales cartoon from '88, you can almost hear the character voices.)
Actually much of the essence of the first Shrek, despite the anti-Disney bitterness, came from the children's book "Shrek!" on which it was based. Shrek's moodiness, need to be alone and happiness being "ugly" was very much a Steig reference.
EricJ wrote: Once the series believed it had a "message", it careened downhill fast.
The series had a message from the start: Beauty is skin deep and even with all our quirks there is beauty in everyone. The second film basically reiterated this, but did it just as well if not better than the first.
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Re: Shrek 5 on the way?

Post by Bill1978 » March 2nd, 2014, 8:59 pm

I'm not sure I'm ready for another Shrek and to be honest I don't think the movie watching community is clammering for another Shrek.

I'm one of those people who didn't find Shrek hilarious and ultimately was disappinted with the lack of fairytale lampooning that happened in that movie. Then couple that with the fact that Fiona became an orge in the end, I felt diminished the whole there is more to beauty than looks message they were going for. I felt that the message ended up saying beautiful people don't end up with ugly people. I think it would have been more ground breaking for Human Fiona to marry Shrek.

Shrek 2 was absolutely fantastic and my favourite of the series, to me it had all the bite that the first one wanted in relation to fairytales and the story was very strong.

Shrek 3, I will admit was a hot mess. But I know I'm in the minority, but I actually enjoyed the Arthus plot of the movie and wished the movie actually focussed on his story more. I feel Shrek 3 would have been a stronger movie if it was just about Shrek getting Arthur back to the throne. More needed to be done with Lancelot and Guenviere at the school etc. I would have ditched the whole Fiona is pregant plot and save that for #4. Perhaps have 3 ending with Fiona saying she was pregnant and then #4 could be all about Daddy issues

Shrek 4 was alright, as I type this I honestly cannot remember any of it, apart from the fact I was annoyed that Arthur couldn't even make a silent cameo in the party scenes.

I really don't see what a 5th movie could add to the franchise, as I felt they ran out of ideas for the 4th one and had to press the reset button just to make something.

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Shrek reboot

Post by James » November 7th, 2018, 8:16 am

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by Ben » November 7th, 2018, 1:21 pm

Well, to be fair...this does sound like it will be a Shrek 5 in all but name. Look for a series of new titles such as Shrek: Far Far Away, or somesuch, which soft-reboots the franchise for newcomers but continues it for old fans, especially with the news that they want the original voice cast.

More worrying is that DreamWorks' biggest franchise has moved over to Illumination, and what that may mean for the future...

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by EricJ » November 7th, 2018, 4:15 pm

James wrote:WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????
....OWNERSHIIIIIIIIIIIP!!!!!

Ie., now that DreamWorks isn't DreamWorks anymore (<- there, now Ben won't blow a blood vessel), and is now a paper trademark owned as part of Universal/Illumination, to be exploited for sentimental audience-identification house-marketing franchise to line their own pockets as they see fit--Basically, the same reason Disney did all those Muppets movies. Er, you did notice that Universal made the big press announcement during the promotional weekend-opening hype for Illumination's Grinch?
What, did you think they were going to bring back Kung Fu Panda, like Jeffrey Katzenberg would have if he were still working there? :lol:

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by Ben » November 7th, 2018, 6:56 pm

So...what I said, then.

And..."all" those Muppet movies? What, all two of them?

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by EricJ » November 7th, 2018, 8:46 pm

Ben wrote:So...what I said, then.
And..."all" those Muppet movies? What, all two of them?
Yep. Not counting that ABC monstrosity.

Basically, think of it like when you get remarried: You might be stepdad to some kids from a previous marriage, but they still won't actually 100% be YOUR kids, unless you actually get together and have some of your own.
That's Disney buys Lucasfilm and has to make another Star Wars, or buys Jim Henson and has to make another Muppets, or every single cheap company that ever bought the Terminator name had to pump out their own cheap sequel.

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by Dacey » November 7th, 2018, 11:45 pm

For the time being, DreamWorks is still making movies, but I suspect Eric knows this...

Also for the record, there hasn't been a "cheap" Terminator movie since the actually quite low-budget original. :wink:
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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by EricJ » November 8th, 2018, 12:15 am

Dacey wrote:Also for the record, there hasn't been a "cheap" Terminator movie since the actually quite low-budget original. :wink:
(I have NO idea what the heck that's supposed to mean, so it's not worth the Genisys joke.) :?

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by Ben » November 8th, 2018, 2:10 pm

Wow...Dace confuses Eric for once... ;)

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by ShyViolet » November 9th, 2018, 3:51 pm

My first reaction was basically :shock: , but honestly, even though I guess it still sort of exists within the framework of Universal, I’ve lost interest in DWA since JK left with the acquisition. It’s not DreamWorks anymore and never will be. From what Ben has said, it definitely seems like the powers that be want to maintain some connection to the Shrek of old, but with the very likely lack of a true creative vision and the undeniably tired extension of a 20-year franchise that’s still somehow wheezing along. Regardless of how amazing three out of its four films were, I’m so not tuned into this.

The only thing that concerns me at this point is the welfare of the animators and how they’ll be faring at DWA now that, as Ben has said, DreamWorks’ flagship franchise will no longer be associated with them in any way.
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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by EricJ » November 9th, 2018, 4:56 pm

ShyViolet wrote:My first reaction was basically :shock: , but honestly, even though I guess it still sort of exists within the framework of Universal, I’ve lost interest in DWA since JK left with the acquisition. It’s not DreamWorks anymore and never will be. From what Ben has said, it definitely seems like the powers that be want to maintain some connection to the Shrek of old, but with the very likely lack of a true creative vision and the undeniably tired extension of a 20-year franchise that’s still somehow wheezing along. Regardless of how amazing three out of its four films were, I’m so not tuned into this.
Assuming Third was the non-"amazing" one? (And yes, that was the one that literally shut down the chemical factory. JK had announced plans to give us "Shrek 6" if not for the supremely unlikable Prince Artie.)

And yes, with Illumination now pulling the strings, this is a reconstituted "What a generation who discovered CGI seventeen years ago sentimentally remembers about the first Shrek", without the various neurotic JK pollutants--
Nostalgia remembers the first movie as a nice, clean, poster-marketable "Ho-ho, lovably misunderstood Mike Myers, wisecracking Eddie Murphy, and sitcom fairytale jokes!", and tends to blur over the misdirected-anger "Toilet-paper" days of '01, when JK wanted to ride the easy 00's wave of Michael Eisner-hate against his old boss by smearing every fairytale (after all, everyone knows, Disney is fairytales and fairytales are Disney), and then tried to kiss up to his built-in female audience in the sequels by pumping up the anti-Princess jokes.

...Proving, like the Dragon movies, that maybe you COULD have made a better Dreamworks movie by tossing the Midget, but it wouldn't really have held up in the sequels.

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Re: Shrek reboot

Post by Ben » November 9th, 2018, 8:13 pm

EricJ wrote:It's been happening more often, as she's more getting more knee-jerk in trying to find the "Ha!--You're WRONG!" button-point before finishing the sentences, and trying to beat her own personal speed-records.
Oops. Um...who wants to tell her...uh, er...I mean him? :shock:

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