WALL-E

Post by **bawpcwpn** » June 20th, 2007, 1:55 am

and what 'other creation stories' are these?

Post by **Ben** » June 20th, 2007, 8:48 am

All adds to the hype, boys and girls, it all adds to the hype...

Post by **Meg** » June 20th, 2007, 2:03 pm

bawpcwpn wrote:and what 'other creation stories' are these?

They've talked about them on DVD specials and whatnot - you know, how they came up with the idea. I think with Monsters Inc, people wanted them to do something nostalgic again, like Toy Story. I could be wrong but this whole 'cafe' thing doesn't go with their other explanations.

Oh, and I'm not trying to bash Pixar or anything - in fact I'm quite the fangirl - I just had to roll my eyes at some bits of the teaser.

Post by **James** » June 20th, 2007, 2:26 pm

But the cafe itself is IN Monster's Inc! It's not like they just came up with this and have never mentioned it before!

Post by **Meg** » June 20th, 2007, 4:49 pm

I know, I know! I'm just saying it sounds to me like they're stretching the truth a bit is all.

Post by **ShyViolet** » June 20th, 2007, 4:54 pm

Hollywood is all about stretching the truth, especially in trailers/ads/commercials.

Hey, DreamWorks does it (I'll admit) every time they say that "We always planned to do four, um, no five Shrek movies!"

Or advertising a certain film as being "from the creators of so-and-so" when only one writer or a producer happens from that film to be working on this one.

Post by **Meg** » June 20th, 2007, 4:57 pm

Ah, that's true.

Anyway, there's some really nice lighting going on in the WALL-E footage. Can't wait to see what it looks like once the robot gets off Earth!

Post by **Ben** » June 21st, 2007, 7:26 am

That the cafe is in Monsters doesn't make the Wall-E story true. It just means that a cafe they regularly visited was in Monsters Inc.

The DVD makes it clear that Monsters was dreamed up after Toy Story came out, not as some sort of master plan that has seen every one of those films come to fruition.

And that in itself is scary...they apparently planned 10 years worth of movies in one lunch sitting and have been lucky enough in Hollywood's shuffling culture to make them all? Sounds a bit boring and even more "them and us" to me...

Post by **JV IS TIZ!!! PIXAR** » June 27th, 2007, 11:14 am

http://jvpixarnews.blogspot.com/2007/06 ... easer.html

Post by **James** » June 27th, 2007, 11:41 am

Cool vid JV! Though I can't believe Pixar made a joke at the end. What are they trying to do - get us to laugh? How dare they! And what's with the cool animation? Why can't they just have sucky animation like some other studios? Show offs!

Ben wrote:The DVD makes it clear that Monsters was dreamed up after Toy Story came out, not as some sort of master plan that has seen every one of those films come to fruition....

Actually the trailer doesn't dispute that timeline really. It says Toy Story was almost complete when this particular lunch occurred. What is the issue here with people not wanting to believe this!? It seems like such a harmless thing for them to do but people are acting like Pixar has done something wrong by telling us this. So what if they came up with the seeds of these films all at once? Is there some reason people don't like believing Pixar people might be pretty smart so let's drag them down a few notches?

Post by **Meg** » June 27th, 2007, 1:44 pm

Neat video...Better than most real commercails out there, actually!

Post by **ShyViolet** » June 27th, 2007, 2:20 pm

Speaking of jokes, have you guys heard of this: (attached by Pixar to Rat credits)

Our Quality Assurance Guarantee:
100% Genuine Animation!
No motion capture or any other performance shortcuts
were used in the production of this film.

Apparently certain higher-ups were none too pleased about it (what with Disney's new deal with Bob Z)....READ ALL ABOUT IT:

http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/ ... cials.aspx

Post by **Ben** » June 27th, 2007, 5:36 pm

I love that. I think that's priceless!

Post by **Meg** » June 27th, 2007, 5:55 pm

Ooh, I'll keep my eyes peeled for that! Ha!

Post by **James** » June 27th, 2007, 6:02 pm

Wow! I've defended Hill's negative stories in the past, but this one was just silly! So much was wrong in this article it is surprising!

- email from single Disney employee complaining that Pixar gets better treatment

That's what happens when one division has a better track record than the other! Don't like it, then use the competition to improve yourselves. See more below!

- The news gets worse. How much worse? Well, let's now talk about "Ratatouille" 's box office projections

Ooohhh - projections! Those are real solid facts! Just like the projections that this movie looked like a kids film and wasn't going to be received well. Solid fact? Ratatouille is still at 100% with 24 reviews in so far at RT.

- disappointing box office receipts continued the downward trend that began last year with the release of 'Cars.'

Actually the "trend" started with The Incredibles, but no one ever mentions that because then they can't blame Lasseter or the Pixar merger! Plus, outside Nemo, Pixar's film's have been pretty consistent and stable at the box office since TS2. Don't point that out either though! It doen't fit the argument people want to make that Pixar is losing it.

- more garbage about Disney box office numbers not being too bad and Pixar's recent number not being that good. Maybe Disney paid too much for Pixar...

sigh! OK. Let's put this to rest once and for all and actually compare the films:

<tt>DISNEY
Fantasia 2000 - $60 million
The Emperor's New Groove - $89 million
Atlantis - $84 million
Lilo and Stitch - $145 million
Treasure Planet - $38 million
Brother Bear - $85 million
Home on the Range - $50 million
Chicken Little - $135 million
Meet the Robinsons - $96 million (after 3 months)

PIXAR
Toy Story - $191 million
A Bug's Life - $162 million
Toy Story 2 - $245 million
Monster's Inc - $255 million
Finding Nemo - $339 million
The Incredibles - $261 million
Cars - $244 million</tt>

Pixar films have easily bested every recent Disney film at the box office.

How about critically at RT:

<tt>DISNEY
Fantasia 2000 - 85%
The Emperor's New Groove - 83%
Atlantis - 47%
Lilo and Stitch - 86%
Treasure Planet - 72%
Brother Bear - 39%
Home on the Range - 54%
Chicken Little - 38%
Meet the Robinsons - 65%

PIXAR
Toy Story - 100%
A Bug's Life - 92%
Toy Story 2 - 100%
Monster's Inc - 95%
Finding Nemo - 98%
The Incredibles - 97%
Cars - 76%
Ratatouille - 100% (so far)</tt>

Except for one film Pixar films have easily bested every recent Disney film with the critics.

What about awards?

<tt>DISNEY
Fantasia 2000
Annies: 5 nominations, 3 wins

The Emperor's New Groove
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins
Annies: 11 nominations, 3 wins
Golden Globes: 1 nomination, 0 wins

Atlantis
Annies: 6 nominations, 0 wins

Lilo and Stitch
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins
Annies: 10 nominations, 1 win

Treasure Planet
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins
Annies: 7 nominations, 0 wins

Brother Bear
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins
Annies: 8 nominations, 0 wins

Home on the Range
Annies: 3 nominations, 0 wins

Chicken Little
Annies: 4 nominations, 0 wins

PIXAR
Toy Story
Oscars: 3 nominations, 0 wins, given Special Achievement Award
Annies: 8 nominations, 8 wins
Golden Globes: 2 nominations (Best Motion Picture), 0 wins

A Bug's Life
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins
Annies: 4 nominations, 0 wins
Golden Globes: 1 nomination, 0 wins

Toy Story 2
Oscars: 1 nomination, 0 wins,
Annies: 9 nominations, 7 wins (Best Animated Film)
Golden Globes: 2 nominations , 1 win (Best Motion Picture)

Monster's Inc
Oscars: 4 nominations, 1 win
Annies: 8 nominations, 1 win

Finding Nemo
Oscars: 4 nominations, 1 win (Best Animated Film)
Annies: 12 nominations, 8 wins (Best Animated Film)
Golden Globes: 1 nomination (Best Motion Picture), 0 wins

The Incredibles
Oscars: 4 nominations, 2 wins (Best Animated Film)
Annies: 16 nominations, 10 wins (Best Animated Film)
Golden Globes: 1 nomination (Best Motion Picture), 0 wins

Cars
Oscars: 2 nominations, 0 wins
Annies: 9 nominations, 2 wins (Best Animated Film)
Golden Globes: 1 nomination, 1 win (Best Animated Film)</tt>

How can anyone claim Pixar doesn't deserve the lead role at Disney animation? How can anyone think Disney should have any control over Pixar films?

As for the joke - get over it! If poor Robbie gets his feelings hurt over a little credit gag he probably shouldn't be working in Hollywood!

I was going to keep going but this is like responding to someone who claims the sky is green! It's so obviously wrong that it is a waste of time to argue it.

I am a huge Disney fan! I absolutely adore the company. But this is crazy. I want Disney to be the best they can be. And the merge with Pixar will do that. Pixar deserves the lead role in the combined company and they deserve the benefit of the doubt with the critics since they have yet to have a dud.