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Hmmmm....hadn't thought of that.
But one thing comes to mind.....(this is going to drive fans of the film nuts)
In the film, Hades didn't know until Hercules' 18th birthday that Pain and Panic hadn't killed him. But in the series, Hades is interacting with/battling Hercules (a "hero in training") during his teenage years....that totally contradicts the film.
Plus you never see Hercules' adopted parents in the cartoon, just Hera and Zeus. It's like he forgot all about them.
But one thing comes to mind.....(this is going to drive fans of the film nuts)
In the film, Hades didn't know until Hercules' 18th birthday that Pain and Panic hadn't killed him. But in the series, Hades is interacting with/battling Hercules (a "hero in training") during his teenage years....that totally contradicts the film.
Plus you never see Hercules' adopted parents in the cartoon, just Hera and Zeus. It's like he forgot all about them.
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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i think you're spot on there, Violet. It's the combination of the two (likeability and evilness) that makes him, and other great villians, so memorable. It's what you also see lacking in the villains of movies like Mulan. That Shan-Yu, geez, talk about a 2D character! I really like the character design, and he could have been so much more memorable, but the character was as flat as the paper he was drawn on. Shame...
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I agree, Shan-Yu was a real diappointment.
Maybe they were afraid of making him "too evil" and thus be accused of racism or something. But he was already so flat, and he didn't even have a celebrity voice! (Jim Cummings played him, of course).
I'm guessing that all through the production they were INTENDING to make him more evil/interesting, but never got around to it. Mulan was most likely plagued by other story problems that left less time to develop the villain. Just my interpretation, I don't really know.
Maybe they were afraid of making him "too evil" and thus be accused of racism or something. But he was already so flat, and he didn't even have a celebrity voice! (Jim Cummings played him, of course).
I'm guessing that all through the production they were INTENDING to make him more evil/interesting, but never got around to it. Mulan was most likely plagued by other story problems that left less time to develop the villain. Just my interpretation, I don't really know.
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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I didn't have a problem with Shan-Yu. It worked fine for me. Not that all villains should be as underdeveloped . . .
My impression was: he was a mean guy who liked to be mean to people. Unfortunately, some people are just like that.
My impression was: he was a mean guy who liked to be mean to people. Unfortunately, some people are just like that.
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True....
*Just came to mind*--Another AWESOME villain--SYNDROME!!!!!!
This guy has EVERYTHING you need for a great animated villain.
Funny, charismatic, ALMOST likable, but sadistic and cruel as well. Even some pathos which makes him all the more fascinating. (I think all really great villains need some pathos) And a wonderful actor voicing him. Can go from charming to quietly terrifying in a second.
Syndrome--awesome, awesome villain in the Hades vein.
Hopper and Al from Toy Story II were great villains as well.
One villain I had real problems with was Clayton from Tarzan. Does anyone even know who I"m talking about? Now there was a 2-d villain...he makes Shan-Yu look like Scar. Blah!
*Worst Villain Ever!*
*Just came to mind*--Another AWESOME villain--SYNDROME!!!!!!
This guy has EVERYTHING you need for a great animated villain.
Funny, charismatic, ALMOST likable, but sadistic and cruel as well. Even some pathos which makes him all the more fascinating. (I think all really great villains need some pathos) And a wonderful actor voicing him. Can go from charming to quietly terrifying in a second.
Syndrome--awesome, awesome villain in the Hades vein.
Hopper and Al from Toy Story II were great villains as well.
One villain I had real problems with was Clayton from Tarzan. Does anyone even know who I"m talking about? Now there was a 2-d villain...he makes Shan-Yu look like Scar. Blah!
*Worst Villain Ever!*
You can’t just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
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There aren't too many disney villians I DON'T like.
I loved Clayton personally. I loved Frollo. I loved syndrom.
I LOVE LOVE LOVED Hopper.
And Ursula is my FAVORITE villian ever.
I loved Clayton personally. I loved Frollo. I loved syndrom.
I LOVE LOVE LOVED Hopper.
And Ursula is my FAVORITE villian ever.
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I loved that moment (the spolier Mickey refers to above)!!
I caught it in the theater on my first watch and just thought "oh, now THAT is cool".
I think there are a ton of GREAT Disney villains and a ton of BAD villains. The great ones are usually the over dramatic, flamboyant ones, while the ones from the "middle-Disney" period, with the exception of Prince John, could be classed as lacklustre "villains".
I caught it in the theater on my first watch and just thought "oh, now THAT is cool".
I think there are a ton of GREAT Disney villains and a ton of BAD villains. The great ones are usually the over dramatic, flamboyant ones, while the ones from the "middle-Disney" period, with the exception of Prince John, could be classed as lacklustre "villains".
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Sorry, Shan-Yu was not voiced by Jim Cummings. Miguel Ferrer did it. Still not a major celebrity, but more mainstream than Jim.ShyViolet wrote:Shan-Yu was a real diappointment.
Maybe they were afraid of making him "too evil" and thus be accused of racism or something. But he was already so flat, and he didn't even have a celebrity voice! (Jim Cummings played him, of course).
And I thought Shan-Yu was a great villain. Like Mickey said, he was mysterious. He was bulky and unstoppably strong, but also agile and graceful. He looked like a wild, ugly barbarian, but his voice was smooth and calm and he spoke and acted intelligently. These things made him unpredictable and therefore dangerous. When I first saw the movie, I thought they should have revealed more about him, but really that would have ruined the mystique.