Disney Wanting to make live action Atlantis Movie!

[EricJ]

Eric...regarding my "quote" a couple of posts up: could you give me a link to that actual post, because I don't believe I wrote that, at least in that format. If I did, then I can only think that it was meant sarcastically and looks weird out of context, but I’d like to see where and how it originally was posted.

I didn't have time to dig all of them up, every time the "It's NOT Hamlet!" discussions arose...Even into the 10's. So I just went for a representative summary.

Suffice to say, Japanese-anime fans were beating their heads against walls so hard, they'd find someone else to take the rap for the Katz-Burglar if they had to, as long as somebody took Disney to the judge.

After they finally got to Atlantis, it then became a different kind of gung-ho action movie where the otherwise pretty down to earth logic (for the kind of film it was!) got completely thrown out the window!"

They spent the first half trying to replace action with Wacky New-Character shtick, they ended up doubling-down on it, and most of the entire trip to Atlantis was about punching Milo two-for-flinching. If these sour bullying nutballs were going to help save the world, it would have helped if we'd had the least bit of sympathy to root for them.
(Something the spinoff cartoon finally managed to achieve in the "Atlantis II" TV-pilot direct-video.)

Leaving aside the sub, if they'd spent more plot focus getting to Atlantis by the one-half mark, instead of the last third, they'd have time left over to explain...why...glowing-blue Tiki-thingies...were going to destroy the world...after the heroine gets possessed...I think?
As a result, the "Science-fiction" gets jammed into a fast confusing climax--And no offense against James Garner, but the LEAST charming villain since George C. Scott in "Rescuers Down Under" meeting a fitting end brings only relief instead of action.

[Daniel]

With regards to Hamlet, here's some posts I dug up:

especially since the Lion King has already seen two spin-offs (BTW, only one of those was inspired by a direct Shakespear play, the other by Tom Stoppard).

(And the main one, which was inspired by a stolen Japanese revival-cartoon, because Jeff K. thought we wouldn't notice the serial numbers filed off.)

Well...and a direct Shakespeare play.

Not a video, but funny for Disney fans. Movie posters with "honest" titles..
http://thefw.com/honest-disney-movies/

(Hey, look, Ben, somebody else in the 21st century who still thinks Lion King was Hamlet! You're not alone on the island! )

I don't understand that comment.

It's worse than Ben and the Lion King thing!

But...I am intrigued...what's this "Ben and The Lion King" thing?

(Since you asked: "B&B must be good because it was NOMINATED!" is probably the second most frustrating, brick-wall-bashing, anal-retentively stubborn, unkillable-cockroaches of Urban Legend that the more balanced animation fans are still trying to hammer with the bedroom slipper of History--
If it weren't for the dedication that some fans still have for the myth that unlike about two-thirds of his own generation, that not only had Jeffrey K. had never, ever seen a pop-nostalgic Tezuka series in his life--and wanted to spend his tenure at Disney edifying us with the Immortal Bard, 'cause, there's like an evil brother in it--but that it must logically follow that Timon & Pumbaa sequels were actually based on Tom Stoppard plays...
Sometimes, we wonder if the longtimers knew the truth all the time anyway, and are still doing either of them just to Annoy the Rest of Us.)

So, Eric...what's with this "Ben and The Lion King" thing?

Because the answer you gave didn't actually make any sense or tell me anything I didn't already know. There was only one Timon & Pumbaa sequel, by the way, so need for the plurals.

(Why are you making me go this far off-topic?--Okay, so it is, but on your head be it, and no complaining later--Let's try to find the trail of bread-crumbs back to the topic:
A) Someone thought Gary & Kirk would be good directors because they made one ambitious but overpraised film that got lucky, and another one that flopped but had good intentions and cult defenders, even though they constantly spoiled their own atmospheres with goofy kiddy-shtick.
B) I tried to counter that they weren't really that good as directors, and the one film they were known for wasn't what it was, through artificial fortune or circumstance, cracked up to be.
C) When I accused the movie of having "a zombie-like cult" based on the Neato historical artifact of getting a symbolic "stunt nomination" from the mania at the time, fans responded "Whaddya mean 'cult', and that 'we only like it because of its Oscar'?--It's only the greatest movie of all time, and it got NOMINATED!"
D) My sense of losing grip on a rational world tried to find an illustrative metaphor, and the closest onsite comparison I could make was to one of the last human beings on the planet who still believes--almost contrarily and petulantly so--that JeffK based his one reputation-maker movie on a Shakespeare play, on no other citation than He Told Us He Had, so why would he lie?
A name now synonymous with plagiarism lawsuits, a criminal record that reaches back nearly twenty years, the recent Astro Boy movie making us aware of how old studio executives only remember 60's Tezuka series, and our webmaster still believes that JK wanted to give Shakespeare because he was so Cultural.
It was not a thread about B&B, Oscars, LK, JK, Kimba or Shakespeare, just about stubbornness...Don't have to take it to e-mail, but why do you still believe that; it really does seem like you're still doing it just to get a rise out of the rest of us? And again, that Tom Stoppard comparison was just scary, and go find us one Toon Studio exec who's even heard of him.)

Whew. Right now in the northeast, we've already got a foot of snowdrift. I hate to have to shovel Thread Drift as well.

I don't think I've ever suggested anything to do with JK and Shakespeare on these boards. The Hamlet parallels on Lion King were, if anything, actually attributed to Don Hahn, while the analogy was continued in the DTV Lion King II as basically being Romeo And Juliet. The "sidequel" of Lion King 1.5 was very much based on the Rosencratz And Guildenstern concept, whether the DisneyToon people had ever heard of Tom Stoppard or not. My guess: having actually met some of them, is that they're not the imbeciles you obviously imagine, Eric.

As for the rest of your rant...I'm sure I really don't know what the heck you're going on about and honestly think you have lost the plot.

While we're digging up early pre-Shrek Katzenberg, there's another good point I've never been successfully convinced of (or if the explanation ever did turn up here, it must have been years ago and I forgot):
The Lion King=Hamlet thing, we know, was goofy, and yeah, we'll get Ben's traditional defense, but that was years ago. I'm asking, why did JK try so hard to also convince us that El Dorado was "a tribute to Hope & Crosby"--'cause, like, it had "Road to" in the name, and had two funny con men--when, y'know...it wasn't?

Don't know what the "Ben's defence/Lion King" is about but as for the Road connection, Hollywood has always seemed to come back to this notion that pairing a couple of comedy players will equal Hope & Crosby style laughs, especially if there's a travel element in the script.

There's more but I do have a life! Notice a pattern? From just these snippets I don't see how that poorly written quote sounds anything like Ben! Just a vendetta that will repeat itself...

[Dacey]

I think this might be the biggest burn anyone has ever given on this forum.

[Ben]

I just noticed that I couldn’t have written that as it sounds nothing like me. And, indeed, not only didn’t I say that, but as Dan has so well illustrated, I didn’t even have that viewpoint!

From just these snippets I don't see how that poorly written quote sounds anything like Ben! Just a vendetta that will repeat itself...

...over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...

[Daniel]

Ryan Reynolds is being considered. Hard to imagine him as Milo...

[Ben]

Wait, what? He’s pretty much the only guy around right now that I can think of that would actually be quite good!

[EricJ]

Ryan Reynolds is being considered. Hard to imagine him as Milo...

Did it say whether they were considering him for Milo, or for a new wisecracking ethnicity-free Vinnie?

[Daniel]

Nah, but being a big name and all I would imagine they would want him as the lead.

[Dan]

If they go with Milo being older, Ryan would work, I can see that.

My friend and I prefer Tom Holland, but I imagine many might think he would be too young perhaps.

[EricJ]

Nah, but being a big name and all I would imagine they would want him as the lead.

By that logic, Will Smith would have played Aladdin.

Nope, I'm guessing wildly imaginative Disney tried to figure out which was the most "wisecracking" character, and Ryan was just all wrong for Moliere.
(And on that subject, yeah, I'm calling it now: Josh Gad's second dirt-eating character.)

[Dacey]

No reason to assume Reynolds would be playing anyone but Milo (he’s a leading man right now). If this movie even gets made at all.

[Daniel]

Will Smith as Aladdin? Now that's just idiotic. Never mind that he's too old, (although looks good for his age) this is based on a folktale of Middle Eastern origin. Really now.

[Ben]

Hahaha... Eric thinks Aladdin is the main character in Aladdin...!

[EricJ]

No reason to assume Reynolds would be playing anyone but Milo (he’s a leading man right now). If this movie even gets made at all.

Except for Disney's habit of getting unknown young teen-hunks and selling them to the fangrrl audience. Of whom Ryan's old enough to be their dad.

I'm guessing our Milo will have a distinctly Disney Channel-slash-Boy-band look to him, and they're already casting their sassy Latina Audrey...

[Ben]

Clearly, this won’t be that. This is aiming toward the older Jungle Cruise demographic, probably with a bit more humor to bolster up the enjoyment factor. This is being seen as Disney's own in-house Avatar series, hoping for a new franchise starter.