Tangled (formerly Rapunzel)
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Oh c'mon I could, especially if we didn't fight all the time and call each other crazy, ahem!
Still, I think it's very important to say it and I think that they should have said it. We could believe they really did love each other in that final moment. Next time I watch it I'm going to listen to hear if they say "I love you", even if it's a faint whisper...
Also, this is simply related to that, but usually in fairy tales, the couples just know that they are meant for, and that they love, each other very quickly. Is it very realistic? Well, it doesn't happen often in real life, but...it is a fairy tale, and Disney has used it's magic to make those moments work in their past films. If you don't think so, I am going to call you a cynic who didn't get into it, hmph!
Oh, I was wondering, was anyone bothered by the fact
Still, I think it's very important to say it and I think that they should have said it. We could believe they really did love each other in that final moment. Next time I watch it I'm going to listen to hear if they say "I love you", even if it's a faint whisper...
Also, this is simply related to that, but usually in fairy tales, the couples just know that they are meant for, and that they love, each other very quickly. Is it very realistic? Well, it doesn't happen often in real life, but...it is a fairy tale, and Disney has used it's magic to make those moments work in their past films. If you don't think so, I am going to call you a cynic who didn't get into it, hmph!
Oh, I was wondering, was anyone bothered by the fact
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I don't know. At one point in their lives, children start to wonder if they were adopted, whether it's by siblings taunting them or if they get in a fight with their parents. But, then they move away from that way of thinking after a while.
That said, unless their parents do lock them away (and as scary and shocking as it is, there do exist people like Gothel out there who keep children hidden away from the outside world), I don't think that will cross their minds.
Then again, I'm not a child psychologist, so I'm probably the most informed person to answer this question.
That said, unless their parents do lock them away (and as scary and shocking as it is, there do exist people like Gothel out there who keep children hidden away from the outside world), I don't think that will cross their minds.
Then again, I'm not a child psychologist, so I'm probably the most informed person to answer this question.
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Yea. It's just that young kids will most likely not get the more subtle things like that. Also, I never wondered if I was adopted, but I did occasionally wonder if my parents would ever do anything bad to me, and I don't think it's good for movies to feed those fears.
It does make me feel better that this was rated PG, but parents still probably won't explain it to their kids.
I did actually think that
But even after what you guys said, I think they could have been more clear. I think they should have made it either she's obviously bad and obviously doesn't really love Rapunzel (obvious to the kids in the audience) or she obviously loves Rapunzel, but just loves the hair more and is willing to "turn" on her own "daughter" (obvious to the kids in the audience). It's just one case where subtletly is not necessarily a good thing, because of kids wondering about their own parents.
It does make me feel better that this was rated PG, but parents still probably won't explain it to their kids.
I did actually think that
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Kids are not stupid. You're acting like just because they're kids, that they can't pick up on things like that. They understand way more than you are giving them credit for. There's no reason to dumb down the movie or characters like that. Yes, there will probably be some kids that won't understand, but I think for the most part they won't think "Gee I wonder if my mom doesn't really love me, just like mother gothel!!"
As far as Gothel goes, it's obvious that any kind of hint of love she MIGHT have for Rapunzel is completely overshadowed by her love of her hair. The stuff with the paint is obviously just to make sure Rapunzel stays put by giving her something she wants. The end of the movie (spoil this if you want mods, I think anyone reading this thread now should have seen the movie)...
MOD: OK, Mac...spoiled:
As far as Gothel goes, it's obvious that any kind of hint of love she MIGHT have for Rapunzel is completely overshadowed by her love of her hair. The stuff with the paint is obviously just to make sure Rapunzel stays put by giving her something she wants. The end of the movie (spoil this if you want mods, I think anyone reading this thread now should have seen the movie)...
MOD: OK, Mac...spoiled:
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Being stuck in the UK with many other international people where the movie hasn't come out, Mac, means that there's a fair few who can't have seen Tangled yet!
But since I have to read the forums anyway, to check for language and content, I unfortunately end up having to read all the spoiler boxes anyway. So I already know quite a bit about what to expect in Tangled...and two big points I'd really rather not have seen about Tron.
But there we go.
Please have courtesy for those that haven't seen any films yet...because they haven't been released in their locations yet!
But since I have to read the forums anyway, to check for language and content, I unfortunately end up having to read all the spoiler boxes anyway. So I already know quite a bit about what to expect in Tangled...and two big points I'd really rather not have seen about Tron.
But there we go.
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What Mac said. The reason the Pixars and the more recent and classic Disney films are of such high quality is because the filmmakers just make films they want to see and think very little of the under-13 crowd.
Ironically enough, didn't Walt Disney use to say that if you aim for children, you're dead.
Ironically enough, didn't Walt Disney use to say that if you aim for children, you're dead.
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Re: Tangled (formerly Rapunzel)
Now that you guys mentioned Disney, Walt didnt make cartoons for kids only. He made cartoons for both kids and adults to look at. Like look at Fantasia or any film from the time when he was alive.
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I agree with you guys on pretty much all that! I already know Walt said that! But Walt made films that could be handled by children and adults. So they were something adults and kids could both enjoy, and changing some points on Gothel would not make the film less enjoyable for adults.
This is a different case from previous movies. I don't think it would be dumbing down to make Gothel a little more obviously not loving Rapunzel. Look at the stepmother in Cinderella, who Gothel's a little bit like. Cinderella's a Disney classic and lots of people think the stepmother's a great villain, but kids understand she is bad through the whole thing, and won't be scared that their parents would turn out like her.
I guess what really gets me is the
And "the Pixar and more recent Disney films" are classics? That is what you may think, but I would say the closest to an actual classic we've gotten recently is only Tangled. And I'm not even sure about that one fully making it. Finding Nemo's kind of a classic because it's like every kid's favorite movie that people watch over and over. I don't hear that for like...any other Pixar film. Maybe Toy Story, but that's pretty much stayed on people's minds because it kept coming out with new sequels.
And no, a Disney classic does not come from doing whatever you want, you have to do it thinking of the Disney way and of adults and children.
This is a different case from previous movies. I don't think it would be dumbing down to make Gothel a little more obviously not loving Rapunzel. Look at the stepmother in Cinderella, who Gothel's a little bit like. Cinderella's a Disney classic and lots of people think the stepmother's a great villain, but kids understand she is bad through the whole thing, and won't be scared that their parents would turn out like her.
I guess what really gets me is the
And no, a Disney classic does not come from doing whatever you want, you have to do it thinking of the Disney way and of adults and children.
I can't say I agree with Dusterian 100%.
The problem with falling into thinking "how would Walt have done this" is that Walt's dead... Established fact. Going on 45 years next year. Can we please move on and STILL honor the guy at the same time?
Walt was like George Lucas was "a VERY long time ago in another galaxy(!)" about forwarding technology and art. Frankly, I think Walt WAS the genius film producer of the last century and Lucas got lucky with Star Wars. At the end of his life, Walt was more into the Parks than anything else but there was always the art. He brought quite a few people from animation into the Disney Imagineering group and it's never been separated far from animation since.
Who do we have that can carry on and advance Disney animation? We've got the guys who produced Beauty & the Beast for one. They still have a decent record even if not all the films they worked on became classics.
Until recently, I think Disney's most sure-bet for stable, reliable, AND creative director was Chris Sanders (Lilo & Stitch). While people may say Tangled was the best true Disney film in years, well, I wouldn't disagree with that. I will say that I saw "How to Train Your Dragon" over the weekend and guess who the co-director was? Chris Sanders. Lilo & Stitch was no fluke... and Disney/Pixar were stupid to let him go, too.
The problem with falling into thinking "how would Walt have done this" is that Walt's dead... Established fact. Going on 45 years next year. Can we please move on and STILL honor the guy at the same time?
Walt was like George Lucas was "a VERY long time ago in another galaxy(!)" about forwarding technology and art. Frankly, I think Walt WAS the genius film producer of the last century and Lucas got lucky with Star Wars. At the end of his life, Walt was more into the Parks than anything else but there was always the art. He brought quite a few people from animation into the Disney Imagineering group and it's never been separated far from animation since.
Who do we have that can carry on and advance Disney animation? We've got the guys who produced Beauty & the Beast for one. They still have a decent record even if not all the films they worked on became classics.
Until recently, I think Disney's most sure-bet for stable, reliable, AND creative director was Chris Sanders (Lilo & Stitch). While people may say Tangled was the best true Disney film in years, well, I wouldn't disagree with that. I will say that I saw "How to Train Your Dragon" over the weekend and guess who the co-director was? Chris Sanders. Lilo & Stitch was no fluke... and Disney/Pixar were stupid to let him go, too.